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Quantum Machines  

- can they tell us anything about God?

August 13, 2011

Trisha sat forward a bit, her eyes dancing as she formulated her response. “Imagine if we knew everything about the chair Terry’s sitting in right now, from a subatomic perspective. I mean everything—the number and types of particles it’s made of, even the molecules from Terry’s clothes and skin and hair that have rubbed off on it while he’s sitting there. If we had a complete picture of all that information, down to the last particle, and we applied scientific laws like gravity and thermodynamics to that picture . . . then determinism says we could forecast exactly what will become of that chair in the future.

Pretty cool - isn't it?
Sounds like God - knowing the future before it happens.

Owen nodded. “Right. But it can’t be done. There are too many random variables in nature to allow for accurate forecasting.

Gee - seemed like maybe we were on to something here.
But wait -

Parks and Rowley exchanged a significant look.

Maybe there is hope.
Maybe we can know something about God.
Maybe we can even become God?

It's something people have wanted for a really long time.

NASA decided it was willing to settle for less than perfect,” Parks said, taking up the story. “After all, they weren’t looking to predict the future, just forecast as many possibilities as possible.


Chris believed he was starting to understand, but he still didn’t believe. “Are you saying you built a computer capable of predicting the future?” “Not the future. Probabilities,” Parks corrected.

Oh well - so much for that idea.

But then again - maybe we did learn something about God from this.

Before going on though - let me give credit for where these lines came from. It's a book called Offworld, by Robin Parrish. If the name sounds familiar, his Dominion Trilogy was the motivation behind We go where he takes us - but who is "he"?

Offworld is about 4 astronauts who went on a mission to Mars - and when they returned things were very different, to say the least. Chris, Trisha, Owen and Perry were the astronauts. Parks and Rowley were the two responsible for the last several years of the project to build the quantum machine.

The guy who funded the project in those years was your typical "I'm going to make the world a better place" kind of person who thought he could play "God" and make things right.

But Parks & Riley - what was in it for them? This question was posed by Chris.
The answer -

Rowley was unmoved, his stature rigid as he said, “Because he paid us".

Oops. That's rarely, if ever, a good reason.

Well - if you're still with me here - haven't gone on to something else because it's looking like a heavy science thing with quantum mechanics coming in again - don't leave now!
That's the end of the science.

If you've read some of the other science / quantum related articles and felt that it was just too much to understand - this one may help.

If you've read them and thought that I've shortchanged what science can do - this may also help.

At a certain level, the book starts off being about 4 people who went to Mars and back to earth - a really long trip. And they learned a lot along the way. And as they move along in their lives, they realize just how much things that happened in their past prepared them for what was to come. Essentially - learning things that they didn't consider "learning" at the time - preparing for things they didn't know they'd need to be prepared for.

It happens to all of us.
Whether or not we care to take the time and effort to look for these things - that's another question.
But they do happen.
And we can learn from them - if we take the time and effort.

I bring this up because it's how I feel with this site.

The first two articles - almost 2 years ago now - were about believing what God said and about knowing Him.

In between - there have been articles about whether or not He exists - does He really care about us - other "gods" - science - all sorts of things.

But now - it still comes down to believing what He says and knowing about Him.

There's often questions about pre-destiny where God has already decided ahead of time everything each of us is going to do - where the end is know because He controls every little detail and it's all set in stone already. Words like destiny - fate - karma - stuff like that - come to mind.
Is life about pre-destiny - or is truly about an all-knowing God that can somehow know before we do something that we will do it - without actually making us do it.

In essence - that's what this book is getting into.

It's about who we are willing to give credit to for "knowing" the future -
do we want to play the probabilities?
or do we want to go with the One who really knows?

Is man capable of playing "god" ?
Can determinism predict the future?
Can one play with the deterministic model and control the future?

At least one person in the book thinks it's possible.

"We will succeed in creating a better world...

Others aren't so sure.

Owen nodded. “Right. But it can’t be done. There are too many random variables in nature to allow for accurate forecasting.

And I think right there - in those two points of view - we learn something very important about God - and about ourselves.

“Not the future. Probabilities”

We - people - can talk about probabilities.
And no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves otherwise - that's all it is -
We cannot know the future with certainty -
because we live in time - we are limited by time.

Only God knows how it's going to end.

Even Jesus doesn't know when it's going to end. Only the Father knows that.

That's the knowing the future part.
What about the believing what God says part?

If you think about it - it's interesting how some people believe - and others don't.

I guess that's the way people are.

But what about angels?

It would seem to be the same for them.

Would Satan really rebel and turn against God if he truly believed the end that God has foretold?

How many angels - or people - would go the way of certain and eternal death as foretold in the book of Revelation - if they knew with an absolute certainty that the end they were to meet up with was as described by God?

I would tend to think none.
I would tend to at least like to believe that the simple truth is they don't believe it -
that they - like the character in the book -
think they have a better way and they can make it happen -

Roston stood to his full height, no longer excited. “That won’t happen,” he said. “We’ll see to it"

OK - if you don't believe it - if you really do believe you can keep the end from being what God said it would be - then presumably you must be willing to pay the price for being wrong.
You've essentially said that God has no more power than you do - that you are in control .
You've put God in a box - your box - and He's subject to you.
You're gambling - and I believe playing a losing game.
That's you're choice.

But - what if that's not the case?
What if Satan really does know the end?
What if Satan's goal is just to take as many of God's creations with Him on to that certain death that He knows is coming?
What if Satan really does believe God - and knows what God can do?
Then you're not gambling anymore - your playing a game that you simply cannot win.

“Not the future. Probabilities”

We don't know the future.

We can only predict.

Some people go to fortune tellers to "know" the future.

Others look to the stars.

Still others look at tea leaves -

or the cards -

or a computer program -

or past history -

or play the 8-ball -


At best - it's probabilities.

At worst - it's fake and worthless, except by sheer coincidence.

But why turn to those things -
why turn to what could be a for sure losing game with no chance of winning?

Why do those things when we don't have to?

Why try to build the quantum machine to examine more probabilities than the guy before and hope that this time - you will be right?

Why risk the possibility that the one we're following already knows he's dead and just doesn't want to go alone?

Maybe even worse - the possibility that the one we're following already knows he's dead simply wants to take us along for the ride just to spite the one who condemned him?

How many of us - if we knew these things and considered them for anything else in our lives - how many would take the chance if we knew for a certainty that one path led to incredible failure and the other to incredible success?
How many of us would knowingly choose defeat over victory?

“Not the future. Probabilities”

And yet - isn't that we we do with our souls?

The Judgment

MT 25:31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. “All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.

MT 25:34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. ‘For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.’ “Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink? ‘And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? ‘When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ “ The King will answer and say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.’

MT 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘ Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’ “Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ “Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Not Probabilities - The future

“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

JN 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”